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  1. I finally finished Wurrgog Prophet. I like the model very much, great details and very enjoyable to paint. I don't really need it for games, I just wanted to paint it. However, I messed it up a bit: tried out new glaze medium, which worked fine at first, but left paint very glossy after painting. Then I soaked it in denaturated alcohol to get the paint off, but it is finecast model (?) and it went soft and I lost small details. Also I could not get the primer out from the smallest cracks. But now it's painted and I am quite happy with it. After giving some thoughts what to paint next, I ordered Mournfang pack and Orruk gore gruntas, I'll try to make Braggoth's Beast Hammer battalion. Mournfangs are my favourite models, I already have four of them and with next ones I have some small conversion ideas as well.
  2. I haven't played with ironjaws myself, but a friend of mine does decently well with them. I have understood that gore gruntas under perform and brutes over perform. Their battalions are also great. I have played with beastclaws and savage orruks myself. I like them a lot, Thundertusk and Stonehorn are great, mournfangs are not (aside from models). Adding Thundertusk gives you great missile weapon that ironjaws lack. The same goes for Arrowboys, but you need to invest quite a lot to them to be effective: at least 20+ models and Big Boss is helpful, plus during game they really need +1 to hit: from Bellowing Tyrant, so other units don't get that buff. The downside of mixing is that you lose many good battlelines - none of ironjaws are battleline without ironjaws allegiance. So in addition to Thundertusk you have to take at least 3 units of savage orruks/Ogors/ etc. And that makes it almost half non-ironjaws army... Personally I would play ironjaws, they seem such a fun army. I will try at some time braggoths beast hammer battalion: beastclaws mixed with ironjaws' gore gruntas.
  3. Our small tournament will be in the end of May, so we tried some more lists. I exchanged Butcher and Tyrant for Huskard on Thundertusk, Bretonnians came with the same list. We played two games, Blood and Glory and Escalation. First game: Battleplan: Blood and Glory Armies: Points: 1000 Bretonnian army: 5 Grail Knights 8 Knights of the Realm 5 Freeguild Outriders 10 Freeguild Handgunners 1 Empire General (general) 1 Paladin 1 Paladin Standard Bearer 1 Battlemage Orc army: 3 Ogors with ironfist 3 Ogors with ironfist 20 Savage Arrowboys 1 Huskard on Thundertusk (Battle Brew) 1 Savage Big Boss (general) 5 Savage Boarboys Both had exactly 1000 points, no Triumph Table. Pre-battle strategy: I put Arrowboys and Boss on the right, Huskard in the middle and both Ogors to the left flank, Boarboys far right. Bretonnians put most of their cavalry units to their left, against my Arrowboys, and quite near the edge. 1st ROUND Turn 1: Orcs started - I didn't want Outiders to reach my Arrowboys. Arrowboys moved forward with Boss, Boss gave them +1 with Bellowing Tyrant plus special Command Ability that allows extra attacks on roll of 6 (due to +1 to hit I got rerolls on 5 and 6). Others did not move much, not to give Bretonnians a chance to charge. Arrowboys shot Outriders, killed 4 and last one fled. I left 20 Arrowboys in the middle to stop charging Bretonnians. Turn 2: Handgunners gunned my Arrowboys, some died, many fled. Cavalry moved forward, did not get charges, but hoped for double turn. 2nd ROUND Turn 1: Double turn for orcs. Lucky me. Arrowboys shot, killed 7 Knights of the Realm, last one fled. Incredible luck with dice, I think most rolls were 5 or 6 and I rolled lots additional attacks. And Knights failed with their 4+ Saves. Huskard blasted with ice, 3 Grail Knights died. Some Arrowboys shot Handgunners, some died. And here we ended the game, there wasn't much Bretonnians left. SUMMARY: Arrowboys with Big Boss' +1 to hit and Command Ability are rather devastating. But my rolls were incredibly good, mostly sixes and fives, I won initiative etc. And Bretonnian dice just hated him. Second game: Battleplan: Escalation Armies: Points: 1000 Bretonnian army: 5 Grail Knights 8 Knights of the Realm 5 Freeguild Outriders 10 Freeguild Handgunners 1 Empire General (general) 1 Paladin 1 Paladin Standard Bearer 1 Battlemage Orc army: 3 Ogors with ironfist 3 Ogors with ironfist 20 Savage Arrowboys 1 Huskard on Thundertusk (Battle Brew) 1 Savage Big Boss (general) 5 Savage Boarboys Both had exactly 1000 points, no Triumph Table. Pre-battle strategy: I deployed Ogors on the left and Ogors on the right. Bretonnia put Handgunners to the left with General, Knights of the Realm to the middle. I wanted to put Arrowboys to the middle next round and overwhelm the objective, while holding right objective and fighting for left objective. 1st ROUND Turn 1: Bretonnia started. Did not move. Turn 2: Orcs held their ground. There was no points to get and I wanted to stay away in case Bretonnia gets the initiative. 2nd ROUND Turn 1: Double turn for orcs. Lucky me. Again. Arrowboys arrived with Big Boss who gave them +1 with Bellowing Tyrant plus special Command Ability that allows extra attacks on roll of 6 (due to +1 to hit I got rerolls on 5 and 6). Moved to middle objective and claimed it. Then last battle repeated itself: Arrowboys shot, killed 7 Knights of the Realm, last one fled. Incredible luck with dice (AGAIN!), most my rolls were 5 or 6, lots of additional attacks. Ogors on the right got to the objective, on the left they didn't. Turn 2: Bretonnia put Paladin next to Handgunners, Outriders to cover close to Ogors and left objective, Battlemage next to Handgunners. Handgunners shot Ogors, Paladin charged Ogors, one died, Ogors didn't do any damage against the Paladin. General moved to get Victory Points. 3rd ROUND Turn 1: Orc won initiative again. Huskard arrived with Boarboys. I deployed all to the left side. Huskard killed the General with ice blast, Boarboys forgot to move. And lost a Victory Point with that. Ogors fought instead of retreating and lost a Victory Point due to that, didn't do any damage, Paladin killed one. Arrowboys shot Handgunners and Outriders. AGAIN, incredible dice rolls, all Outriders die, some Handgunners as well. Turn 2: Bretonnia put Grail Knights and Paladin Standard Bearer in the middle, charged Arrowboys. Didn't do very well, but 6 Arrowboys died. I rolled for Battleshock and got 1, so no-one fled either... my luck just didn't seem to stop. Paladin Standardbearer killed the Big Boss. And Arrowboys were zero after that. I think they did 2 wounds after that. Paladin on foot missed ALL 5 attacks (1s and 2s...). Ogor did some damage to Paladin. 4th ROUND Turn 1: Orcs won again. Huskard moved to the middle and ice blasted 3 Grail Knights, Boarboys forgot to move, but opponent generously let the do it later, so they charged to Paladin and killed it. Before that Paladin missed all 5 hits (again!). After that Bretonnia only had 2 Grails, handful of Handgunners, 2 wounded characters and no chance to get enough points for 5th round to beat the orcs. SUMMARY: My dice rolled incredibly well. Opponents dice incredibly bad. I would like to say that Arrowboys are crazy good with Big Boss even in unit of 20, but actually was just very lucky, I rolled mostly 5s and 6s and their victims mostly 1s, so actually I don't know. I could not really try Boarboys with their cool retreat and attack ability. As I hindsight I feel that Bretonnians actually deployed badly: their second reinforcments should have been Grail Knights to kick some ... before Huskard arrived. Second deployment had Outriders and two heroes, so he played all the time understrength. Altogether I liked the scenario a lot, much more different than others. Although 1000 points on normal sized table kind of forced us to fight for 2 objectives and "forget" the third. The list itself seems very powerful. Weak side is Saves: all have either 5+ or 6+, only Huskard has 4+. No magic users to give +1 to Save. Against rending units it can be awful. Maybe it would be good to change boarboys for wardokk to get some spells and probably triumph roll. But otherwise: first round the Arrowboys shoot at their full power and delete one unit from afar. If they are lucky, they kill another next time. After that, when there is more combat, they serve as great chaff: there are usually less of them and/or Boss has died, so they suck at killing, but 40 wounds is hard to kill even if there is no save. Huskard snipes characters or kills elite units with good save. Ogors take objectives, fast Boarboys support them where needed. However, it is probably much weaker against armies that can alpha strike etc. Our Bretonnians don't have really competitive and tuned army, the player has mostly just bunch of cool models that he uses. We could see the winner in the second round both times, so I would not use it again in normal friendly games. But I have no idea what kind of gamers/lists come to the tournament, so I think I'll stick to that. And as a side note: I have no idea, how people play these games so fast: we had 1000 points, last game we played only 3 rounds and it took us 3 hours...
  4. Well, for killy game without objectives there are no units better than stonehorn. I really want to try out Huskard on Stonehorn once.
  5. Beastclaw have nicer models, but ogors have more models and units. I think tactical movement with different units is fun part of the game, so some mix is nice: thundertusk with ogors for example?
  6. I had some leftovers from Savage Boarboys, so I made Savage Big Boss and Wardokk from spare legs/bodies. I have Wurrgog to paint, then I think I'll stop painting bonesplitterz - as it turns out, horde armies are not my favourite to paint, I tend to get bored and therefore hurry to finish the models. Currently I cannot imagine that painting another 20 savage orruks could be very interesting. Single models are more like it. Big Boss has body/legs from boarboy, hands from Big Stabbas. I stretched out one boarboy leg to give him charging pose and filled the gaps with greenstuff. Wardokk has greenskins legs, boarboy body and Big Stabba hands, a bit repositioned.
  7. Good write up! I'm waiting for your 1000p game to see how ogors fare.
  8. Yes, I'll put a reminder for myself next time :). I am really in-between, what to take: 1000p means very few bodies and Leaders for Ogors. Lack of rend with generally bad to-hit ratio is reallt bad. I think I will try either fit in 6 ironguts for rend/damage, or replace heavy-hitters/arrowboys with 6-9 Leadbelchers for rend. But I really liked how Arrowboys were stuck in the middle of the board, but I could still pick out few knights here or there with 18" range.
  9. We made some changes to our campaign. There will be first small tournament in our area at the end of May with 1000p armies. So we wanted to try out some 1000p armies for the tournament and play with matched play rules and battleplans. Therefore we used no special abilites received in the campaign. Battleplan: we started from the first: Take and Hold: if you have 5 models close to enemy and your own objective, you get major victory. Armies: Points: 1000 Bretonnian army: 5 Grail Knights 8 Knights od the Realm 5 Freeguild Outriders 10 Freeguild Handgunners 1 Empire General (general) 1 Paladin 1 Paladin Standard Bearer 1 Battlemage Orc army: 1 Golgfag (masterwork pistol) 3 Maneaters (reroll 1s to hit and reroll 1 to wound from Golgfag) 3 Ogors with ironfist 3 Ogors with ironfist 20 Savage Arrowboys (general, Bellowing Tyrant) 1 Butcher (Talisman of Protection) Orcs put down some points less, rolled on Triumph Table and got to reroll wounds. And I forgot it. Pre-battle strategy: as I had less units, I wanted to go second, then move closer, shoot with arrowboys and then hope for double turn and charge into knights to keep them from charging. It seems the only reasonable strategy agains Bretonnians. 1st ROUND Turn 1: Orcs gave initiative to Bretonnia. Bretonnian Outriders are fast as birds - they moved 12, ran 6, shot my arrowboys and failed the charge by 2. Killed 2 arrowboys and 3 more fled. Other units moved forward just a bit. Freeguild Handgunner's chief missed with his 30" gun. Turn 2: Arrowboys tried to move to cover, but Outriders blocked them, so all 15 could not fit into cover. All ogres moved forward with Rampaging Destroyers, then ran closer to enemy, putting all hopes on double turn. Arrowboys shot and killed one Grail Knight and one Knight of the Realm. Then charged into Outriders. 2nd ROUND Turn 1: Double turn for orcs! Arrowboys shot, killed one Knights of the Realm, and with awful luck of dice 5 handgunners, then battled with Outriders. Butcher gave +1 to Ogors with cauldron and Mystic Shield. All Ogors moved closer with Rampaging Destroyers and Move, missed all their Shooting, then succeeded all charges. 1 unit charged to Knights of the Realm, second boosted Ogors to Grail Knights and finally Maneaters to Paladin Standard Bearer. Then it turned all sour. Ogors missed most hits as always (despite having +1 to hit), those that hit were Saved. So they killed altogether 1 Knight of the Realm, 1 Grail Knight, and Paladin Standard Bearer. And lost 1 Ogor and one Maneater, second Maneater and Ogor were left to 1 wound. And during battleshock it turned better again - Knights of the Realm lost 4 models to Battleshock, leaving only one (unfortunately the player forgot to reroll battleshock...), also the remaining Handgunners fled. Turn 2: Bretonnians had no other choice than to carry on fighting. General charged into Golgfag but made only two wounds and got killed. Paladin killed Maneaters, Knights killed two Ogors. If I remember correctly Ogors could not kill even one lonely Knight of the Realm. Things were brightening up for Bretonnians. 3rd ROUND Turn 1: Orcs won initiative again. Golgfag charged to Battle Mage, failed to kill him, Ogors missed most, but with arrowboys killed 2 Grail Knights. The lonely Knight of the Realm still survived, against 2 Ogors. Turn 2: Battle Mage tried to heal Paladin, but failed. Grail Knights charged to Golgfag, leaving him on 1 wound. Paladin charged to Golgfag. Golgfag made 6 attacks, dividing attacks between 1 wound Paladin and two Grail Kinghts. And rolled five 1s! But one hit got through and killed the Paladin. 4th ROUND Turn 1: Orcs won initiative. Killed Outriders, Golgfag shot 2 Grail Knights. Here we called the game. Only later we realised, that it wasn't clear if orcs won minor or major victory, I didn't have 5 models around enemy objective. So I should have retreated from the only 1 wound Battle Mage, ran towards the objective with arrowboys and then killed the Mage. SUMMARY: The problem from my side was lack of rend - Free Peoples Saves were all 4s or 3s. Ironfists were okay, I think I did altogether 2 mortal wounds. Maneaters were a disappointment - even hit/wound on 3s and rerolling 1s on both, they missed quite a lot and their Save 5 makes them a bit glass cannon. Arrowboys have more potential, but only with lot of boosting. The arrowboys should have been more in the back to avoid Outriders. BATTLE BONUS: -
  10. The Arrowboys are slowly getting their paints on. I kept the reddish-brown skin tone, green-gold aztec style and still couldn't manage with obsidian weapons. But I used GW green glaze for the frst time and liked it a lot - the "emerald" earrings are made with white base and green glaze. For savage orruk heroes I try to make some glazes myself and paint only with these.
  11. Mine goes to Zolas for bringing up and redeeming Huskard on Stonehorn. I had kind of overlooked it.
  12. I have been torn while comparing many ogors vs few ironguts, but played too few games to get a clear picture. 3 of them is not good, but unit of 6 has destroyed whole unit with one blow... but yes, it's 440 points... Thank you for explanation!
  13. Interesting reading, thanks for the write-up! I haven't played much games, can you please clarify, why don't you use Ironguts? Too expensive? Or frostlord fills their role better? I don't see much ironguts in competitive lists, and I'm wondering why. After Generals Handbook and Bellowing Tyrant ability they seem terrifying (their 4+ to hit made them too unreliable previously as elite unit).
  14. Great! Looking forward to it!
  15. Warscroll

    I'd like to add that Wurrgog can cast and unbind TWO different spells per turn, which at least I missed on first and second reading. And that makes all the difference. He can cast mystic shield and special spell/arcane bolt. And if Bonesplitterz allegiance, orruk wizards can choose between lots of additional spells, which makes his ability even more powerful. Two wizards for price of one! Just keep him well protected!